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>> gretchen: she doesn't like to be called a lady, by the way. so lynn will stick around for the after the show show. bill: morning, everybody, is this health care 2. o, the white house saying president obama is set to unveil a new version of the health care overhaul, revamped to include a couple more ideas from republicans. can nancy pelosi change enough minds in the house to even pass a bill? we'll talk to a house democrat, he voted no the first time around. will he change his mind now and commit to what one senator called political suicide? you will find out moments away here on american's newsroom. first, though, this is a big deal, postal service set to unveil a drastic plan, a plan for survival. it has a massive and growing debt and we're about to change the way we get our mail. will saturday delivery be a memory? wow! good morning, everybody, i'm bill hemmer, welcome to
"america's newsroom". martha: say it isn't so. i'm martha maccallum on this thursday -- tuesday, we're glad to have you with us through rain, sleet on snow but maybe not saturdays, though. this is a live look at the postal service, mr. potter is reportedly going to cut retirement benefits which probably won't go over too well and request the closing of more post offices across this country. the whole way we get information has changed in this country and this is the bottom line of what you're seeing carried out today. could have a huge impact on us. bill: the postoffice had deficits close to 4 billion last year, it's likely to balloon to about 8 billion this year. it's the largest civilian federal agency with 600,000 career employees, and the postoffice estimates savings of more than $3 billion if they eliminate one day of delivery. that could be saturday. steph centanni is live. >> reporter: postmaster general john potter
convening an unusual conference to lay out his reorganization plan. members of labor unions will be there, as well as big corporate mailers and staffers from capitol hill. that's going to be key since a major piece of the survive game plan for the postoffice will be reduce delivery down to five days a week, and that would require congressional approval. the postoffice asked congress to cut back delivery last year but so far no action from capitol hill, now the postmaster general will lay out new facts and figures showing mail volume will continue to drop dramatically in coming years, mainly due to the internet, so to say it's time for action, bill. bill: what kind of an impact will it have? so much of it comes back to jobs. what kind of impact will it have on that? >> it won't be good and the unions are bound to object. not only would one day of delivery be cut out but some post offices would be closed on consolidated under this plan, the postmaster general saying the need for 200,000 workers has already been eliminated over the past decade because of automated
mail handling systems, but this could mean even bigger cuts, and on top of that, potter wants to eliminate a required prepayment into the postal workers' retirement account. postoffice is also seeking greater flexibility in upcoming labor negotiations in light of higher health care costs. bill: if saturday is going to be knocked out f. that happens today, what other differences would the average consumer notice if this plan goes into effect? >> reporter: well, the costs would go up. it's going to cost you and me more money, at least some more money. the postoffice will try to get permission from the postal regulatory commission to raise prices beyond the rate of inflation but of course they take a risk there. if they raise prices too high they could drive away even more consumers or customers like you and me, making it even harder to keep operating or to keep their heads above water, but the postal service has to do something, mail volume was down 13 percent last year, it's more than double any previous decline, and they lost about $3.8 billion in
revenue. bill: trying to figure out how to go from red to black for years. we'll see if they have a clue today. martha. martha: the postmaster general, mr. john potter, is no stranger to controversy. he took some heat last year for his salary and bonuses, all while trying to cut back on services and benefits. he's been the chief executive at the postoffice since '01, he received a compensation and retirement package of more than $800,000 in 2008. that's pretty good money at the postoffice. the washington times reported the new compensation package came on top of a more than $260,000 salary. mr. potter was also awarded a pay for performance, as well as a performance incentive award last year that totaled more than $162,000. we'll see if he gets a bonus for cutting that service on saturday as well. bill: perfect name for that position, right? potter. the u.s. postal news conference is streaming live on foxnews.com, head to our website, check it out there or wait for the latest headlines here. martha: exactly, youco do
that. too. it's a gun fight at the supreme court, the highest court in the land set to hear arguments in a case that could have a far reaching impact on rights, they struck down a law in d.c., this new case out of chicago presents the question do gun control laws that are passed by the states and cities also violate the second amendment. shannon bream is live at the supreme court to help us sort this out. what's the argument? what's really at stake here? >> reporter: you know, so many of our important rights are found in the first ten amendments to the constitution, the bill of rights hadn't been incorporated into the states meaning the court found they don't not only apply to federal entities but the states. that hasn't happened with the second amendment so even though the court found there is an individual right to own a gun under the second amendment it's yet to be applied to the states. allen gurahoe will be arguing for that and here's what he told us. >> virtually the entire bill of rights has been applied against states and local governments. the second amendment is a
normal part of the bill of rights. it protects a meaningful individual's right which is important to people in this country and throughout american history and we believe that we have a very, very strong argument for why it should apply and we believe it will apply in the end to places like chicago. >> reporter: and if it applies in chicago, it could apply across the country. really the ramifications of this case will be nationwide. martha. martha: interesting. shannon, what do folks on the other side of this debate have to say? >> reporter: as you can imagine, they say the second amendment is unique, it's not like a lot of rights we have, it's like guns in the communities, and the brady campaign to end gun violence is one of the campaigns weighing in against it. here's what they told us. >> this is clearly the most dangerous of our constitutional right. people who exercise the right to have a gun in the home actually expose themselves to three times greater risk of homicide in the home, five times greater risk of suicide in the home. this is a right that creates
enormous risk for people exercising it, for their families and the community at large. >> reporter: it's important to note that even when a court decided a little less than two years ago the second amendment did provide an individual right to gun ownership, they say that's not without caveats, localities and other entities of the government in nature can actually limit how many people can have guns, how they can use them and who can get guns. it's not an unlimited right, even if decided by this court. martha: fascinating. thank you shannon bream. bill: in the meantime did you hear what happened on the floor of the senate that trailed into the office buildings? jim bunning refusing to budge, saying his argument is about runaway spending on capitol hill. he's a kentucky republicanman continuing his blockade for jabless benefits and medicare payments. he doesn't oppose the benefits, he wants to know how it's being paid for, but it is this video that's getting all the attention today, an abc reporter, trying to get answers from
the senator. and getting the old talk to the hand. he told the guy the elevator in question was for senators only but it's what the senator said on the floor that goes to the heart of this matter. fox news' stuart varney, host of varney & company. i'll let you explain this and then i'll explain. >> his premise is you want to extend unemployment benefits, you want to pay doctors in full for treating medicare patients, and you've got to pay for that spending. you've got to raise the money somewhere before you just gush it out for these employment benefits and for the doctors. at the moment, that is not paid for. that's what senator bunning is objecting to. and he has been pummeled, he has been pounded, politically, personally, they're after him because he is insisting that any extension of the jobless benefits or payments for doctors or medicare patients be paid for. that's what's going on. bill: we're going to debate that aspect of what's
happening on the medicare payments next hour with a pair of doctors to see how you as a patient will be affected or how doctor services would be affected. if you eventually go with a $500 billion cut in medicare which is in the hel care proposal, but back up a little here, this is jim bunning on the floor explaining this position. roll this and i'll get you to react. >> i support extending unemployment benefits, cobra benefits, insurance, highway bill fix, doc fix, small business loans, distant at work television for satellite viewers. if we can't find $10 billion to pay for something that we can all support, we will never pay for anything on the floor of this u.s. senate. bill: it was before that, stuart, where he said we just passed this legislation that said if we put anything in the law, we have to make sure it's paid for. >> right. pay go. pay as you go. you ought to -- you want to
buy something, spend some money, you want to pay for it, that's pay go. that is senator bunning's point. you've got to pay for it. so he was defeated -- well, he's still standing firm, let's be clear with that -- about that but senator reid, majority leader, is going to introduce very soon a much bigger bill which will spend well over $100 billion in ten years, which would indeed restore unemployment benefits, restore payments to doctors, you name it, it pays for it, but it is not paid for by new revenue. it will increase spending and will increase the decifit. that's what senator bunning objects to. bill: he's taking a lot of heat. we'll see how long he holds out. see you at 9:20 on fbn. martha: it's another big story, key senators are close to a deal on banking regulations, one that will give the government power to write regulations within the federal reserve. now, the senate banking committee chairman chris dodd and republican senator
bob quirker said to be shopping this idea to others, creating a government watchdog that will write rules that will govern everything from credit cards to mortgages. this is going to get a lot of attention in the market. bill: we'll watch that. yesterday we were talking about this family out of california, right now holding on to hope that their teenage daughter will be found safe and sound. search efforts underway again today for chelsea king, seen here, last seen on thursday when she went for a jog in a local park, chelsea's parents are back with us again today to talk about their best clue so far this morning. martha: iran facing sanctions if it does not curb its nuclear program, which now even the iaea admits is underway, but now word that the u.s. is about to cut back on our own nuclear stockpile. what is the white house's plan? bill: a motorcycle jump for the records. ye. hah! evil kneivel, eat your heart out. martha: love it. ♪ just a good old boy
>> in a matter of days we will have a proposal. it will be a much smaller proposal than we had in the house bill because that's where we can gain consensus, but it will be big enough to put us on a path of affordable, quality health care for all americans that holds insurance companies accountable. bill: that was the house speaker yesterday in denver, colorado, describing president obama's health care plan, expected to be released tomorrow. she's got a lot of convincing today to rally the votes she needs and it's the moderate democrats in the house that could either sink this bill or allow it to swim. my next guest voted no last time around. is he ready to change his mind? democratic congressman john adler out of new jersey. sir, welcome to "america's
newsroom" and good morning to you. >> great to talk to you bill. bill: can this bill pass? >> it depends on what the bill is. i think the house bill that came forward back in the spring and passed barely in november didn't have the sort of cost controls that the small businesses in my district of new jersey and small businesses around the country have been crying out for. the premiums go up year after year and the first version didn't contain costs for businesses. bill: but because of that, you voted no. are you now prepared to vote yes if it comes up again or will you vote no again? >> bill, it's a fair question. it depends on what the bill says. i'm one of those old fashioned folks that think we should read the bills before we decide how to vote but i think the bill should contain costs better than the original house version did. the senate did some of it, the house did some of it, nearly -- neither bill did nearly enough to make it affordable for businesses five years from now and that should be our goal so businesses can be strong
again, employ more people and get out of this recession. bill: how novel, you will read the bill. you come from a republican district in new jersey, right? >> it was democratic in 1882 so it's switched back both ways. bill: 1882, you say. >> that's right. bill: okay. >> i'm working for the people of my district. bill: sarcasm to the side here, what have you seen in this bill, what has been talked about, what about this health summit last week that would convince thaw fundamentally they're going to change the bill in a way where it doesn't cost jobs, as you point out, and it does help small businesses? >> well, i was part of some of the discussion between discussion between the president and the republicans trying to find common ground. i think we have to do that. i'll disturbed as a newcomer in congress that the democrats don't seem to want to talk to one another. these are american problems and business problems for our great country and i don't see the parties trying to work together to solve problems. bill: you're not talking like a man who sounds very
convinced now, are you? >> i'm hoping for the best. i was elected to come to washington to help solve problems and that's what i'm supposed to be doing so i'm going to work with both parties to do the best we can for the businesses and taxpayers. bill: i call it 2. o, tomorrow, it's some sort of plan from the white house, as you rightly point out, we do not know what's in it but there are leaks and major garrett reported on it last night, tort reform, and also the ability to buy health insurance across state lines. is that enough to get your vote? >> well, it depends on if that's going to contain costs. the goal is to get more americans access to affordable insurance and make sure we don't squeeze businesses out of the insurance market by seeing their premiums go up 20, 30 percent every year. we're going to have to actually gauge what the bill does and decide if it's good for america long term. if it's good for america, i'll vote for it. bill: i'm not getting anywhere on this interview, am i? i'm trying to figure out which way you'll go. i know you keep falling back
on the idea about reading the plan, it's the smart idea, the right idea, but have you seen or heard anything within committees or the hallways of congress to get you to change your mind? >> i think a lot of good ideas are out there, i've presented some good ideas to the president of the united states and speaker of things i think are necessary to bring costs under control over time to make insurance affordable and to get my vote. i'm happying -- hoping we'll do some of those things that make a better bill to help business people and taxpayers over the long term. bill: we'll see what happens. john adler, we will be in touch with you and other moderate democrats who in the end will likely make this bill pass or fail. sir, thank you. >> thanks bill. martha: elizabeth smart, remember that name, her kidnapping and her shocking reappearance captivated this entire nation and eight years later, the trial for her accused abductor is finally here. so how does elizabeth smart feel about that? switch to s her fatherwi joins us next. /d/da
bill: we want to know how do you top your world record for the longest jump on a harley, and why you would do it a second time. watch here. yeah! martha: love that! bill: that's the american dare devil jump in australia. martha: awesome. bill: the jump of 138.7 feet. can we watch it again? the only mishap if you can call it that, coming on the second jump when inslow landed on the inside of his leg, but he's doing okay, biker doing fine, bravo. martha: all right, well, we all remember this story, right, she was taken in the middle of the night from the bedroom that she shared with her little sister and what
followed was a family nightmare and now the smart family may finally get justice in all of this. brian david mitchell, accused of kidnapping elizabeth smart and holding her for nine harrowing months has finally been found competent to stand trial. the court date is going to come out later this morning. ed smart, elizabeth's father, joins us. what a long haul this has been for you and your family. >> it's a great day. great day. martha: i'm curious what your daughter elizabeth's reaction is to this, this moment after all these years is finally going to happen. >> you know, we were anticipating that this would happen, but i don't know that she actually knows yet. she's currently serving a mission in france, and we're in the process of trying to contact her. so i know it's going to be, you know, one of those great steps in moving forward, potentially this whole issue can be resolved in the next year. it will be great for the family. martha: you were saying
she's in france. as a parent, i think oh my gosh, when did you get used to being able to let her go anywhere after what happened to you and your family, and eight years later, is it good or bad that this is all back in your lives again? >> you know, i think that lois and myself have kind of felt like this is something that's going to happen, and we have no control over it, so we can't worry about it. to us the most important thing was that mitchell would never be able to get out and that's what it continues to be, and we hope that that's what the final verdict in this whole issue is, that mitchell will never have the opportunity of hurting another woman again. and you know, certainly elizabeth feels that it's important for mitchell to somehow accept responsibility, whether he ever will or not is a big question, and but she's just doing great, she's currently
serving an lds mission for the next eight -- well, she's down to about one four-months, but she is very happy, enjoying life, and i think mitchell is at the back of her mind. but you know, moving forward is where she's at. martha: yeah, you know, when you look back on all of this, ed, you know, take us back to that moment when you realized, because i'm about to speak to another couple, the kellies, who are looking for their daughter right now, and everybody had written your daughter off, everybody thought she was gone forever. what would you say to this family right now as they try to hold out some hope for a similar outcome, ed? >> absolutely, i certainly hope they have the same outcome. i think that maintaining hope and as long as you don't see that there's anything to the contrary, why not hold out hope. you know, it certainly felt
that elizabeth was out there, there were a lot of times when people said ed, you know, smatistically, she's -- statistically, she's dead, there's not a chance she's out there, but i kept having this feeling she was, and we couldn't give up on her and sure enough, i remember hearing a few weeks beforehand my brother saying ed, she might be alive, and i said well, i believe she is, and you know, that is a possibility. and a lot of people say statistically, it's over with, but miracles do happen, and i mean -- >> martha: we're so happy they did for your family and your lovely daughter. what's the outcome of this trial, do you think? you know, as you look at it, what is his defense going to be, is it going to be an insanity defense and are you at all concerned about the amount of time this guy may get? >> no. i mean, yes, i'm concerned. i want him to stay behind bars for the rest of his
life. you know, i don't know what kind of a defense he'll try to come up with. certainly when elizabeth got on the stand a few months ago, she was, boy, as straightforward as i ever could have imagined her to be, and i think that mitchell will have a hard time saying that he is insane. there's probably a good probability they'll probably use that defense, but i think that there's not a chance that he'll get off. at least that's what i hope. martha: we hope you get every satisfaction in that regard, and we're delighted to hear how well elizabeth is doing, and we wish you and your family well and it's good to have you here, ed, you've been a wonderful spokesperson for so many families out there who are looking for their own children. >> well, thank you. bill: a good man. martha: a sure is. bill: do you remember the day when the news wires said elizabeth smart has been found alive? martha: i remember looking at the wires several times, like this can't possibly be.
bill: this ripple of hope went across the country. martha: and some person said that's her. bill: you make a great point about the family about to join us, too, we'll talk about the search out in california. also a massive recall to talk about that does not involve toyota. who's on the hook this time. we'll tell you about that and also, martha, the story we're waiting to hear about from california. martha: we'll be with that story i sn just a minute.
compact chevrolets and pontiacs, the automaker citing steering problems in their situation t. affects 2005-2010 chevrolet cobalts and 2007-2010 pontiac g5s, the 2005-2006 pursuits, also sold in canada, and '05 and '06 g4s that were sold in mexico. did you get all that straight in hope you're taking it all in. we've got it on the board for you. gm says the vehicles are still safe to drive, and that they never lose their steering control. but that it may get a little harder to steer them when you're traveling slowly, under 15 miles an hour. it sounds like that problem is not quite as dangerous. at least from the sounds of it. that's what we've been talking about. bill: toyota still has explain to go do. congressional hears into toyota's problems are shifting to the senate, another pr headache, this time rehairing -- repairing oil hoses on more than a million and a half vehicles. brian wilson in his spot on the hill, what's the latest on the recalls, what's happening there, brian?
>> reporter: well, let me give you the rundown on that recall. i think you would probably say this is a quality control recall, and not a safety recall, but toyota has announced 1.6 million cars will be recalled for leaking oil hoses. but ace want to point out here, you just talked about gm having a recall of 1.3 million cars. recalls are something that happen all the time, but when you get another one against toyota, it sort of perpetuates that continuing issue they have in the minds of many americans, bill. bill: what is toyota trying to do to counter all of this bad publicity? i mean, certainly they must be doing something to boost sales. what is it? >> well, one of the things they're talking about is some sales incentives. if you need to buy a toyota right now, then zero-60 is coming your way, zero percent, 60 months, rebates for returning toyota customers, toyota sales are down by some estimates in the month of february by about 25 percent. today, bill, we're going to hear from three toyota
executives and the nugget of news seems to be, and the testimony, that one executive will say yet again that they have looked at the electronics and they do not believe this problem of sudden unintended acceleration is a toyota electronics problem. they also will announce today that rodney slater, a former secretary of labor, under the bush administration, is going to be hired to do an internal review of toyota practices. bill: affecting a lot of people out there. brian, thanks, brian wilson is live on that story on the hill today in washington. martha: now we want to bring you the latest information that we have on the search for california teenager chelsea king. prosecutors now saying that they may possibly file charges against a registered sex offender as rearl as tomorrow. you see the search there on the righthand side of your screen. police and volunteers continue to comb a park near san diego he -- san diego and the fbi is bringing in dive deals and sonar teams and searching the lake and
shore lines after investigators discovered a piece of the teen's clotheing in that area. they are looking for any new signs of the 17-year-old honors student who disappeared last thursday. joining me now on the phone are brent and kelly king, chelsea's parents. brent and kelly, thank you for being with us today. i can only imagine what this has been like for both of you, and i know you're trying to hang in there and get this story out there. so i want to give you an opportunity to do just that. what are the police telling you both right now? >> basically it's ongoing, it's a very forward moving and active search to find our daughter. we haven't heard anything new and we're just concentrating on the fact that they're doing everything possible, and we have an amazing search team and law enforcement group that are working around the clock to bring her home. martha: brent, share with us what you can about any evidence or anything that the police have told you
about the latest about the evidence. >> they're just focusing on the area where the individual in custody was last seen or areas that tips had come in where he has been identified, so they're searching those areas. martha: tell me, you know, as a parent, what's your gut feeling about this man? this convicted sex offenders who did time, i think he did about six years. is it your feeling that he is connected to this case and that he may know where your daughter is? >> i have no feeling currently. my hope focuses on bringing my daughter home. martha: i can understand that. kelly -- go ahead, brent, i'm sorry. >> new york city i'm not going to spend any effort or thought on a predator. i'm spending it on my daughter and bringing my daughter home. martha: i can understand that, that that needs to be your focus right now, and i
know you need to know what happened here and where she is. kelly, do you have any thoughts about that? when you hear about this man, when you see his face, any, you know, gut feeling that tells you whether or not he knows anything? >> no. i have to echo what my husband says, i don't want to waste a moment of my energy or my time focusing on him. it's not about him at this point for us, it's about bringing chelsea home, so i need all the energy that i have, and i'm focused for our daughter and the law enforcement, that's their job, that's what they do. martha: brent, have they asked you to identify anything, have they shown you any evidence, have they asked you to verify anything that they have found? >> early on in the investigation, they did ask us to identify a shoe, but
that was early on. martha: right. kelly, how do you deal with this? i'm sure you've seen these stories before. are you still with us? i'm sorry, can you repeat that? i just -- martha: kelly, i just wonder, you have seen these kind of stories, ed smart -- ed smart, his daughter was miss fog nine months and his outcome was better, and as you watch this, what goes through your mind? go ahead. i'm sorry about that. -- missing for nine months and his outcome was better, and as you watch this, what goes through your mind? we lost them. we're going to follow this story and as the man we just showed you, he was convicted of a molestation in 2000, he spent six years in jail, the recommendation from the psychiatrist on that case was he spend ten years behind bars and the psychiatrist in this case said he was indeed a threat to girls in the area, so it
does raise a question whether or not this man had anything to do with this case, why is he out there visiting his mother in the san diego area with no bracelet on and no way for police to identify him. so we are going to find out what happened to chelsea king and hopefully she will get home to her mom and dad. we send them all of our prayers. bill: the best karma possible. in a moment, 20 minutes before the hour, the obama administration reportedly rethinking u.s. nuclear policy, looking to cut our arsenal, while iran and north korea are beefing up their arms, should we be cutting ours? weep tapped into our nuclear expert in washington, all things nuclear. we'll and this and what could be the next policy, only a few short minutes away here.
paolo, flood waters are destroying roads and homes and everything in their paths, the floods have caused two homes to collapse, authorities say the area is receiving the equivalent of 15 days worth of rain in one hour! they got slammed with. there's no injuries, thankfully, reported so far in san paolo, but man oh man. bill: we here every day these -- we hear every day these reports of a growing nuclear threat out of iran and north korea, now critics are blasting a possible white house plan that would drastically cut our stockpile, calling that naive and dangerous. jim walsh is with mit securities study out of boston. welcome back to our program. is this going to be a dramatic shift in our policy? >> i do think it is a shift in our policy but you got to remember that our current military force stuccoo striewrk and current doctrine is aimed at dealing with the soviet union and the soviet union died about 20 years ago and while the u.s. government i know is
not the most nimble organization in the world it has been 20 years, so i think we need to reorient what we've got right now to deal with the threats we face today, which are threats of proliferation. bill: iran and north korea is on the tail now. i understand the argument you're making with the former soviet union but are the critics right, it is potentially naive and dangerous? >> no, i think two things. first of all there's a pretty weiss spread bipartisan consensus, henry kissinger, george shulz and others who say the danger is a terrorist that would get a nuclear weapon and use it against the u.s. and this is a different danger than in the past. the more nuclear weapons there are, the greater the chance a terrorist is going to get one so it's in our national interest to get that number down and protect ourselves. on iran and north korea, we need the help of the rest of our allies, we need the japans and south koreas, and other countries, to help us try to deal with iran and north korea and they are more likely to help us if
they think we're doing our part. if we say you can't have nuclear weapons, country x, but we're going to continue to build lots of them ourselves, that doesn't play so well and we don't get the support we need to contain and wrarchgel in iran and north korea. bill: you're a buyer of that diplomatic talk, then. you believe that. if we show an example to others in the world, that they'll follow suit. is that practical? does that really happen? the real world? >> yeah, i don't think it's about setting an dpaferel -- example that we do something and others follow. i think it's politics, that countries are increasingly reluctant to go along with u.s. leadership and when we show that we're doing our part and following our treaty obligations then it's easier for us to get people to help us do the job. bill: plain old -- but iran and north korea, you know this issue better than anyone, we're talking about iran and north korea, it's -- it's not the japanese or south korean who have been
there to help or french or germans or brits, it's been the chinese. they're the big gliers and the europeans, but yes, i agree with you, that the countries that are holding this up are the action on sanctions, for example, have been the chinese and russians, but the russians have started to come over and we're about to sign an arms control agreement with russia, so there is some progress there. but the point is, if we have thousands and thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons, which we have had, is that going to stop iran from getting a nuclear weapon. i think these are unrelated thing. even if we change u.s. nuclear policy, which i think helps us politically, there's no way iran is going to attack the u.s. with a nuclear weapon. it doesn't have a nuclear weapon, but if it had one it's not going to attack us. we still have between the u.s. and russia, there's almost 20,000 nuclear weapons. i can't imagine in our lifetime that we're going to be in a situation we're going to be using even one of them, but let alone 20,000. bill: we were having this
conversation in 1980, all over again. >> exactly. bill: robert gates, secretary of defense, delivered his proposal to the white house on monday. what's likely to come out of this, jim? your best guess is what on policy? >> yeah, i think we're going split the difference here. we're going to see some change. we're going to see no more nuclear weapons, we're not going to pour money down that rat hole anymore, we're not going to see new missions but we're not going to go as far as folks on the other side want us u. the critics on the left want us to go, we're still going to maintain a nuclear umbrella, we're going to use nuclear weapons for purposes other than deterrent, we're going to keep our commitments to japan and north korea. i think they're going to strike something in the middle. bill: we'll see about this, jim walsh out of boston, great guest, thank you. martha. martha: it is the war movie that is giving "avatar" a run for its money at the oscars. >> come on, guys, talk to me >> dropped your phone,
dropped your phone. i can't get it. martha: i'm going to tell you this is a powerful movie, "the hurt locker", secretary of defense gates has praised its depiction of the iraq war but some who have been there are not as happy as with this movie. we're going to talk to somebody who in the line of duty walked toward the bombs himself. next.
martha: all right, here is your check in on mid-term madness because we know you like to keep up the speed in all of this, former tennessee congressman harold ford, jr. taking shots at democratic party n. an op-ed piece in the "new york times", ford saysly not challenge kristin gillebrand in new york. this was a very
controversial situation here, and that the party boss intimidated him to bully him out of this race, he says, during his brief campaign, harold ford, jr. says he found the public is nervous and clamoring for change but that too few in the democratic party are really willing to break with the orthodox. bill: pretty powerful editorial in the "new york times". meanwhile out of california, attorney general running for governor again, jerry brown was governor 1975-1983, set to announce he will run on the democratic ticket. he has already raised about $12 million, has the backing of many of hollywood's biggest names which accounts for a lot in california. former ebay ceo meg whitman is also the frontrunner on the republican ticket. should be a pretty decent race in california. martha: guess what, it's already starting, today is republican primary day in texas and the marquee race is rick perry, holding a
sizeable lead in the polls over powerhouse challenger cay bailey hutchinson who left the senate because she wanted to be governor of texas. you've got on the righthand of the screen, deborah medina, she rounds out the race and this is a big test for the tea party movement which has been a major backer of medina. she had a few missteps and that hs hurt her a bit. let's go to chris gutierrez, live in dallas with more. today is the today, what do the polls show? >> reporter: the latest poll of the "rasmussen poll" that was conducted last week and it shows governor rick perry, an incumbent of nearly ten years with a command be 20-point lead over kay bailly hutchinson. again, it's a big surprise for many texans who thought that gap would be much smaller considering the two were two political hey weights in the lone star state. a "rasmussen poll" back in september had governor perry trailing senator kay bailly hutchinson by two points but
since that time poll numbers have been dropping and that's because analysts say perry's campaign has portrayed hutchinson as a washington insider at a time when people across the country are fed up with washington. plus, hutchinson decided to stay in the u.s. senate instead of coming home and focusing on her campaign. here's how one analyst put it. >> we thought we were going to get a battle of the titans, a ten-year almost sitting governor against a 3-term united states senator, and it turned out that with the shift in the way people are thinking about washington in particular, and governor perry's use of washington against hutchinson, that she has never really made a run at it. >> reporter: now, to win today's primary, a candidate must receive 50 percent of the vote but if no one does that, the top two vote getters will square off in a runoff, martha, six weeks from today. martha: may see that happen. it's a fascinating race. we're going to keep our eye on it. chris gutierrez, thank you very much.
bill: this is a big deal on the stump, rolling out health care 2. o, word from the white house, president obama set to reveal his platiest -- latest plan, but how many ideas from republicans will that plan contain? we're about to find out. martha: who does not remember o.j. simpson standing there in the courtroom in that suit when he was acquitted of murder back in 1995? well, it may be coming to a museum. we'll tell you what's up we'll tell you what's up with that. these are actual farmers who raise vegetables in campbell's condensed soup. so if you've ever wondered who grew my soup, well, here they are. ♪ so many, many reasons ♪ it's so m'm! m'm! good! ♪
martha: everybody, here we go, on this tuesday we get ready for yet another version, another version -- of the health care overhaul. it may be slimmer, may still have a hefty price tag, along with it, though, from what we are hearing in the early going, there's a live look at the white house, president is hard at work, is the understanding, right now on the proposal, and getting ready for a big day tomorrow and the white house says they'll have the bill ready by tomorrow, and we learning about what is in it and we have a brand new hour to start you off with here in "america's
newsroom," hey, i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer, the new package expected to combine several ideas from last week's summit including ideas from the republicans. and what they'll will be. martha: and we're waiting for new details and our major garrett is attending a gaggle, hosted by the white house press secretary robert gibbs and he's there and we hope to get details about what is going to come out in this new health care version and major will give us the latest as soon as that gets underway and the search for 17-year-old chelsea king, is intensifying in california, there is a picture of her. and, as police and agents and volunteers, scour lake hodges, and the 14 mile shoreline, they are looking for any more clues, they can find. to her disappearance, california authorities are stepping up search and it now enters day five of looking for chelsea, there are 100 fbi agents and 1,000 volunteers out there, everybody is looking for the young girl. and meanwhile the sole suspect
as of right now, is registered sex offender, john gardener. and he is due in court tomorrow, adam housely, in rancho bernardo with details and this is a very tough story and what they're police focusing on and how close are they to arresting -- charging him? >> reporter: well, he will be arraigned tomorrow and we'll have more of an idea tomorrow when he gets to the courtroom and a lot depends on what happens today as well and you talk about the lake bernardo area and the area they'll search, we're told at sun-up, the search is expected to have begun, the sun came up a half-hour ago, the northwest corner of the very small lake and 14 mile around, and let me plain to you so you can look at it, it is marsh shi and not typical for a west coast lake and mucht of the year there is not a lot of water in there and it is very shallow and because of a lot of rain it has more water than you would normally find and a lot of stumps and
trees and marshy, and the search continues and it was there yesterday and we saw them with poles and the family got an aerial view of the search, and, of the thousand volunteers that have been combing the area and the lake itself sits in a very affluent neighborhood, martha, and when you think about the park and watch it on television you think maybe it is in the wild land and it isn't and butts up to a normal park, with softball fields and playgrounds and the lake just is a side of it, with houses surrounding it and is a nice area, but an area right now that is the focus of a very intense search for chelsea. martha: and we understand an area she went running in all the time and as you say, there is every reason to think it is a safe neighborhood kind of place to go out there but i have to tell you, the more i learn about the man they may charge tomorrow, the more it raises questions. about why he is even out there. he did time, i think, six years, right? i mean, this is unbelievable. >> reporter: right. martha: story in my mind. >> reporter: and, in fact when he was released, the person that
did the final basically interview with him, said they felt as if he was likely going to reoffend and the fact that he got out, was interesting and a couple of notes, he was convicted of molesting and beating a 13-year-old ten years ago, and, a year prior, also believed to have fondled a 14-year-old, and here at the park there was an attack on a jogger almost exactly two months ago and basically tied him to that attack, of a woman who was jogging around the park here and there is a mission girl from nearby es can dean dough, missing almost exactly one year and look for a possibility he might be tied to that case as well and he's already been arrested and expected to be charged tomorrow, though they have not found chelsea and they are tying, looks like him to other cases. martha: did they tie him to the december 27th, attempted attack before they started looking for chelsea? or did that help them put it all together? >> reporter: that helped them put it together, and again the detectives have been good and
the fbi, has been in a support role and that is normal and they haven't given the details of what they found, and that is -- makes total sense, martha, they are doing a good job of keeping the information outside of the public awareness because the investigation is so important, and obviously, a large crime scene is here and, in the sense that the lake is not huge but snakes through these foothills near next to all of the homes and a lot of hiking and jogging trails and the park and so you have a very large potential crime scene here, and so they have to keep it quiet as much as possible. but it seems like, martha, that helps them tie it all together. martha: i mean, even given chelsea king aside, you know, assuming for a moment, there seems to be enough on his rap sheet he ought to have had a bracelet around his ankle or a way to keep track to have him, since he obviously was of such great concern as a convicted molester, of young girls, so, anyway... adam we'll keep on top of this and we thank you for your reporting on this story. thank you, adam.
>> reporter: okay. martha: you know every clue, is very important if you have any information, about the whereabouts of chelsea king, please call the san diego crime stoppers, the number on your screen there, a $5,000 reward, we're told, for any information that leads to finding the young girl, 619-531-2000 and you can dial 911, too, if you see something and -- >> all right, 5 minutes past the hour and a shakeup at general motors, we are hearing the carmaker expected to announce major changes to the sales and marketing operations. those changes coming as gm and other carmakers report sales today. analysts predicting gm will report an increase, but, ford's sales are better, we're told and gm recalling more than a million cars for problems with power steering and we'll update you on that and ford is flying because a lot of customers are walking into the dealerships and saying you took no money from the government i'm buying your car. martha: right. exactly. and another day and another mid-air shakeup, seems like we are hearing about these things, more frequently now, british
officials saying two royal air force jets were dispatched after reports of a disruptive passenger aboard a flight from dallas, that was going to heathrow airport, in england and the ministry of defense explaining the planes were called back to the base, the incidents was found not to be terrorism related, a woman aboard the flight was arrested on suspicion of endangering an aircraft. never a good idea. bill: you're right. and the disaster zone that is the country of chile and hillary clinton arriving in santiago, the capital and adding loss to the tragedy a plane bringing aid and supplies to the earthquake victims crashed in that country, leaving six people dead. it raises the death toll to 723. looting is becoming a big problem and the army is standing out across hard-hit areas and forcing curfews try and bring any mayhem under control. phil keating is streaming live in santiago, and what have you seen in chile today? phil? >> reporter: well, bill, the
president, michele bachelet saying two hours ago the looting situation has finally been obtained and grappled with and put under control, because she's ordered not only military, 10,000 personnel, deployed, south of santiago, where i am, to the town of concepcion, the most devastated as far as structural damage, from saturday morning's 8.8 magnitude earthquake, as well as to the coastal community, and nearby towns, and the town of constitution. and sending all of the military personnel because those areas on sunday, and money, saw a lot of looting. eyewitness reports and live broadcasts, on some of the south american news channels, showing live looting, people walking out of stores and markets, not only through the water, and things you might expect in a desperate situation, but, also, very valuable commercial products, such as plasma tv screens and so the military, after a couple of
days, and also the curfew being extended, from sunrise to sunset -- sunset to sunrise, now being extended to noon. in the town of concepcion, and the president says that has finally nipped the looting and crime and arson in the bud and now, need to get back to moving forward and saving lives. bill: with respect to the wide geography are you hearing of rescue operations, are they rescuing people and tapping and making contact with communications. >> reporter: they are, yes. they are hearing the taps, one of the great stories so far in the last couple of days, especially down in the town of concepcion, and, the second largests city in chile. and that is where rescue workers are actually quieting crowds down, and all you can hear, noise wise, would be tap, tap, tap, tap... and they are hearing it and people are being found alive, and they are still being pulled out and that is expected to continue happening over the
next several days, however, the world health organization as well as the united nations, both, assuming that as all of the rubble finally gets sifted through over the next days and weeks the death toll will definitely grow higher but people in chile are very pleased, structurally most of the buildings despite the contemporary art museum behind me, most performed extremely well in the massive earthquake and a lot of it has to do with lessons learned of the many earthquakes in the past. bill: phil keating thank you, on the job in santiago, chile and the earthquake was so massive it may have shifted the earth's axis, imagine that. according to nasa the agency saying since earthquakes can involve shifting hundreds of pieces of rock it can affect weight distribution and the other's rotation and also likely shortened the day by 1 millionth of a second. martha: wow! bill: it had a magnitude that registered 8.8 making it one of the most powerful quakes in recorded history. good news in a lot of that and
haiti the depth of the quake was 6 miles and this was 24 miles below the surface and some of that was absorbed and had to do a lot with the construction in chile as we've noted here. martha: all right, the national debt, nearing $12.5 trillion, today. and now the president... >> reporter: oh, boy. martha: they are getting together to try and figure out what to do about the astronomical number and who are these people and when will they get to work and what will they do and there may only be one real solution. bill: keep waiting, martha. look closely at this picture, right here. what might be on its way to the smithsonian. martha: the sign of relief on o.j. simpson's face. we all remember that moment. and, it could win the oscar for best director. the hurt locker, a day in the life of an american bomb squad, in baghdad. but, how close is it to the reality on the battlefield? a guy who has been there. will tell us, next. 0@@útçñçp÷ everything about you is unique.
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bill: they were rolling on raver, thanks to something you don't see every day. check it out over in england, on the river a massive tidal surge, creates what is known as a five-star bore, how cool is that? these waves are more than 17 feet high, and not these, but some of them and big enough to hang ten, upstream! england's largest river has the second most drastic tidal waves in the world and didn't know that and i had no clue, and typically happens twice a day for a four day period. and this is certainly memorable. from the u.k., they are doing that. cool stuff! martha: speaking of water there is an ocean of red ink on uncle sam's books and you can't really go surfing on it. that is a look at the national debt, look at the tiny little numbers and there is the big one for you, though, $12.5 trillion. in red ink. president obama put together a
so-called bipartisan deficit panel, we're told and they'll brainstorm and figure out how to reduce the soaring national debt and when you are spending way way, more than you take in, folks, there is only two days to deal with that problem, you either have to make more money and for theest government that means to raise taxes, or, how about that idea, you could cut spending in a meaningful day and the deputy editor of the "wall street journal"'s editorial page and writes a fantastic wonderland column every week which we love, good to see you. >> good to see you, martha. martha: so, the panel... there is a hubbub announcement of the deficit panel and they'll solve the problems and so far, are they working? who is on it? what is going on with this? >> well, president obama has four picks, he produced, erskin bowles, and a couple of other picks and and stern of the service employees union which i think is notable and probably, the most powerful individual
around the obama administration, who is not in the obama administration. and, all four leaders of the house get to pick three people and so, that the balance is going to be ten democrats, and eight republicans, which suggests to me probably, we're heading fire tax increase. martha: i mean, that is -- distressing to hear that because there's a lot of -- when you look across the nation, though and what people are upset about, people for the first time, the most powerful way i can remember are very concerned about the problem, very engaged in this problem and it will matter, come november, i would think and if i was running for office i would want to prove i was cutting my own local budget at home any way i could. >> martha you put your finger on something, over the past year, a tremendous amount of anxiety has been created, out there. the tea parties are one reflection of this. and, i honestly think it has a lot to do with the fact that people are focused on the level of spending that the government is doing, and not just the budget, though, that is big. it started with the stimulus
which was $787 billion. that was huge. and they passed the $3.4 trillion budget and now you have the obama health care plan, which is going to be a lot of spending, and i think, they say the government has the responsibility to do these things. people understand the government means their money, and are beginning to ask, where is all of this coming from? where are they getting the money? and this answer, i think, most people believe, is from us. and how much of our money are they going to take? martha: there is one -- there is one chief executive on the panel. >> honeywell. martha: it has been talked a lot, there are not a lot of people around the president with experience in business. who would sit at the table and say, look, we need to cut corporate taxes, and need to cut business taxes and they have done some of that, and some incentives for small business but are you telling me at the end of the day the panel will come back and say, we, you know, put or great brains together and figured out you need to raise taxes to cut the deficit? >> i think they have put
themselves into a situation where essentially, the political class is going to bail itself out, with a tax increase, but, i think a very specific kind of tax increase. just let me put a couple of numbers on the table. the current budget spends 25% of gdp. that is up from about 21%, and when you talk about a gross domestic product we have of $14 trillion, that is a lot and tax revenue is tradition 19% of gdp and you have a 6% gap and that is is a lot and i think what they are heading towards is a value-added tax. a tax on all consumption, in the country. martha: on everything. >> and it would produce tremendous amounts of money and basically bail them out. martha: and it is tough to do that on people, especially with people losing jobs and talking about a double dip and make it more difficult for people to invest in anything or put money away, the smaller amount they have, they have to pay higher taxes. >> that's right. martha: dan that, for the sunshiney news today! good to see you, of the "wall street journal."
bill: florida senate, jim bunning, republican from kentucky defending his decision to enact the filibuster to hold up the bill that is $10 billion in costs and has taken a lot of heat from a lot of agents and here's the senator, defending himself now. listen: >> and get his vote. he'll get his 60-plus votes. and, normal procedure will occur. that is the normal way to deal with this bill. now, just so you understand that not everybody, all americans, feel like my dear friend from maine, and the majority leader of the senate, i'm going to read a letter entered -- and enter it into the record, please, so i ask unanimous consent of the letter from a constituent of mine from louisville. >> without objection. >> and i'm going to read it,
also, because it is very important that the people understand that there are other sides of this. dear senator bunning i haven't worked a full 40 hour week in probably two years now. but i fully support your decision to stand up to those in congress who want to do nothing more than to spend the taxpayers' money even the money they do not have. on unemployment extension benefits. so far this year i have worked a total of one week, here in louisville, kentucky. my employer is a sheet metal fabrication plant, with its main headquarters based in cincinnati, ohio. normally, the louisville branch, would employ upwards of 50 people on any given day. if business were good. recently, that number dwindled to about 4.
this country is sooner or later going to implode because of the massive amount of debt run up over the past 40 to 50 years. selling the nation's soul to countries like communist china, in order to finance our lifestyle, and allow the government to further debase the currency, is sure, sheer lunacy. throwing hundreds of billions of dollars so executives on wall street can keep their multibillion-dollar bonuses, while others in or society worry about keeping the electricity on, and their children are fed only helps to move this country closer to a long overdue revolution. the problem is by then, we won't even own it anymore.
politicians on both sides enjoy getting up in front of television cameras and talking about their support of the pay as you go plan. but when it comes down to actually doing what they say, they all run for cover and vote for anything they think will win them another vote or another term. your stance in holding them to their words and expecting them to actually do what they voted for, is a refreshing concept in an otherwise corrupt hypocrisy-based power base known as washington, d.c. it's too bad, senator mitch mcconnell and some of the elected officials on your side of the aisle do not have the backbone of your sense of
decency when it comes to keeping their promises to the american people and for security's sake i'm just going to read his first name, it says, sincerely, robert. from louisville. now there's no doubt in anybody's mind that i have supported extension of unemployment benefits, cobra health care benefits, flood insurance, highway bill, i was this one pro posed the medicare doc fix on a permanent basis in the finance committee. small business loans, and all the other things that are in this temporary bill. so i just want to set the record straight. the majority leader has all the tools in his kit and normally exercises them, and i think he's
about to do that on the bill currently before us. which we call the large job bill. he soon will invoke cloture to cut off debate. he normally doesn't even allow amendments. he will file cloture, fill the tree, by filling the tree, that means the amendment tree, which allows the republicans no alternative but to vote for cloture or not cloture and then, unfortunately we have 30 hours of debate immediately following cloture. i'm going to propose one more time, my unanimous consent request. i ask unanimous consent the senate proceed to the immediate consideration of hr 4691.
that the amendment at the desk which offers a full offset be agreed to, the bill be amended, as read, for a third time and passed and the motion to reconsider be laid upon the table. >> is there objection. >> madame president. >> majority leader. >> reserving a right to object. madame president i'm sorry that my friend from kentucky made it so personally because it really shouldn't be the case. but, let me just review history a little bit. senator from kentucky talks about the bill we voted on and passed last week as being very partisan. that bill received 70 votes. the very partisan bill -- nonpartisan bill, bay partner bill, received 70 votes. -- bipartisan bill, received 70
votes, why did it receive 70 votes? because it did great things for america, extended the highway bill, and gave small businesses the right to write off $250,000 in purchases, stimulating small business all over america. it gave employers the ability to hire people who have been out of work for 60 days, and if they hire them, they wouldn't have to pay their fica tax, if they gave them 30 hours a week. not only that, they get a thousand dollar tax credit to the end of the year, really a good proposal. and also, extended build america bonds which were so important to the american recovery act and democrats and republicans all over the country, governors, mayors, county commissioners, loved that proposal. so, it was certainly is not a partisan bill. and he was right, the other bill he talked about was not brought to the floor. i would also say this:
madame president, it was paid for. not a cent of deficit spending. not a cent. it is interesting that my friend would talk about paygo. he voted against paygo. he is talk about paygo now and he voted against it. he voted against it right here. on the senate floor. if he so liked paygo why didn't he vote for it? he voted against it. the senator from kentucky voted against paygo. and has no applicability to the jobs bill that passed, because, it was paid for. the doc fix, we talked about having voted for it in committee. he voted against it here on the floor. so my friend just is throwing
around words like hypocrite, people can make their own decision as to who is a hypocrite. i'm not calling anyone a hypocrite though i am stating facts. someone boasts about the good offices of payinggo and votes against it and talks about the doc fix and votes against it. so i would think that my friend from kentucky should get a different historian to help him with his facts and they are simply wrong and i object. >> the objection is heard. >> madame president, i will only continue for -- >> senator from kentucky. >> two minutes. why would you vote for a bill when you know it will not be honored? why would you vote for a bill that you knew was going to be violated in the first bill brought to the floor after you passed it?
as far that's doc fix is concerned, i have a history with the doc fix that i don't need to defend to the majority leader, or to anybody in this body. check with the kentucky medical association and all of my doctors, that i represent, in kentucky. i think the gentleman's letter from louisville states the facts better than me. we wants a country that my four grandchildren have the same abilities that i did growing up. we want a country that don't owe everybody in the world for our existence. i don't -- and the question i
have been asked mostly, is why now? why not now? what better time for it than to stand up, when the majority leader has the ability to do exactly on this bill what he has done on 25 bills, in the last five months. file cloture, fill the tree, and vote yea or yea. -- yea or nay. get the 60 votes, pass the bill, and extend these temporary benefits. rather than passes -- we may pass this other bill, i hope we do, that will extend them on a permanent basis for a year. to the end of the year, anyway. i think it is very important
that people understand that i have the same rights that he does. he was elected by people in nevada with fewer people than people in kentucky. i have the same right as any other senator here on the floor and it's not a filibuster when you object. -- that out to be brought out clearly. filibuster is when you stand on this floor and you talk and talk and talk. i have not done that. i yield the floor. >> majority leader. >> i know, my friend om tennessee and texas, wishes to speak but i have to respond to it. because i has -- mentioned again. madame president i cannot match now or ever -- and the past, my
friend's fastball or curve ball or his 40 grandchildren. i do have 16 grandchildren. but i do think it is important to understand that the reasoning is a little unusual, he said i wouldn't vote for a bill that i thought would not be upheld at a later time or, procedures in the bill, not followed and i don't know why anyone is entitled to being the judge and the jury, when you pass legislation and it is the law and there are ways of upholding that. madame president, with paygo we have experience and we know it works. it worked during the clinton years. we paid down the national debt, as a result of what happened during the clinton years. paygo was dismissed during the bush years. now, my friend talks about the debt. he wants to make sure that the
debt doesn't go up. where was he during the bush years? unpaid wars, two wars unpaid for. taxes unpaid for, ringing up trillions of dollars of red ink for the american people. i say this, also, madame president, we have tried to address that. we asked for debt commission to be established, we did that by legislation here on the floor, my friend didn't vote for that. he didn't vote for paygo. so, we are trying on the floor, we have legislation that will resolve this issue. bill: this is political theater on the floor of the senate. if you are just joining us, this -- a lot of it started yesterday, with the objections that jim bunning, the republican senator, from kentucky, had filed over a bill that was worth $10 billion. in that bill, there are
unemployment benefits to the -- to be extended and also in the bill there were cuts to doctors, under the medicare program. all of it went into effect yesterday, the first of march and bunning is taking a lot of heat from every side for his objections to the bill. and he talked about, at the beginning of the statement, about a country, the united states, about tio implode, and his argument is this, you cannot vote for a bill you cannot pay for and that bill is $10 billion, according to the senator from kentucky says it's not paid for and therefore filed his objections. and what harry reid is saying, and this goes back years, the relationship these two have had on the floor of the senate and within chambers, jim bunning has not been true to his word when it comes to paygo or the doctor fix, et cetera and this is what is going back and forth. and jim bunning, by the way, is a former major league baseball pitcher and that was part of the reference harry reid made, at one point he pitched a perfect game, in the major leagues.
this guy knows a fastball and is delivering one on the floor of the senate right now and more on that, now with martha, as our coverage continues. martha: this whoa-nelly, and playing out with harry reid and jim bunning and bret baier, you have a full show based on the last 10 minutes, and incredible back and forth and, you know, what strikes me, bret is once again you have democrats talking down one line of the fence and republicans talking down the other and harry reid stands up and says, this is a good bill, and will help people, this bill. and it will extend unemployment benefits, for people. and jim bunning on the other side, saying, that is all well and good, but we have a huge spending problem we need to address and can't do it unless we can pay for it. >> that is a great point and bill mentioned that senator bunning was a baseball player, and he was also known as a pitcher who brushed back batters, many times, with some
aggressive pitches, and, he's doing that, right now and listen, he's not up for re-election. he's coming to the end of his career, in the senate, and, he is making a stand on pay as you go. having congress actually pay for things, it is an amazing thought. and, that american families can deal with at the kitchen tables, they have to actually pay their bills and have this money to stay it, instead of extending things you cannot pay for and when you talk of unemployment benefits it is dangerous, because everybody wants to make sure that everyone is covered. however, this environment, this particular political environment, here in washington, is very unique. in that america is concerned about deficits, and debt as almost never before. and, this particular bill, they are talking about, would increase the deficit by $100 billion. you look at the health care proposal that the democrats put forward, and, they are saying it would reduce the deficit by 130
and this bill they are talking about would almost erase all of the health care talk. martha: and you know, jim bunning read a letter from one of his constituents, who said, look i have been out of work, i forgot how long, maybe ten months, out of work ten months and i'm with you, senator bunning and i don't want you to extend my unemployment benefits. because he wants them to cut the deficit. and then you have harry reid get up and say, incredulous and said i don't understand what the senator, my good friend senator bunning, as they say in the the senate, he didn't vote for paygo and bunning says, well, you know, but you did, harry reid. you voted for paygo, and on the first chance you get to implement it, with the jobs bill, you are not using it. where is the meaning in that? >> exactly and it is drama on the floor of the senate as the back and forth continues but the bottom line here and you have a question about unemployment benefits, how long you should extend them, even in a deep, deep recession, and nina easton
was on our show layist night, saying extending unemployment benefits for long periods of time you are preventing people from turning things around and getting work and it is controversial to talk about that, but it is a factor people look at. listen, you also have in this bill, really quickly, the doctor fix. this is to pay doctors the coverage that medicare does not. it is outside of the health care debate. and they've put it inside this bill they are debating now. so, you have a lot of factors hear and senator jim bunning saying, we need to pay for this stuff, sometime. martha: it is quite interesting, the impact of not running began. and what it can have on somebody, though, jim bunning has never been one to hold back his thinking on anything but i can't remember the last time he was holding court on three cable networks while everybody stopped and hung on every word. so, that is... for what that is worth, bret, that say.
bill: this is something we didn't anticipate and we expected major garrett to give us more details from the white house, about what we expect from the president tomorrow, on what is termed now in my phrase, health care 2.0. that will be up tomorrow and major, i know you talked with robert gibbs at the white house, and are they taking any republican ideas? and about to announce and make them public tomorrow. >> reporter: bill, they are giving every indication they are taking republican ideas, seriously, at least in the consideration phase, i asked robert gibbs today a few moments ago in the off camera briefing and, there is an expectation among democrats and some republicans, that tomorrow the president is going to add in ways he has not before, significant republican ideas, on two key subjects, for the reform, medical malpractice, and, the issue of selling insurance across state lines, and, robert hesitated, because it looked like he was going to say yes, we are but he said i don't want to get ahead of things and wait for the president to make his announcement tomorrow but there is a sense, that the president is going to include some of these republican ideas and will
it satisfy republicans, maybe, maybe not and what democrats will say is the president includes the ideas and this is our last effort to give republican support and if they don't come with it we'll go alone and i have reaction to the jim bunning continued various, if you have time for it. bill: please, go ahead, major. >> reporter: we asked robert gibbs, this very question that you and martha and bret were talking about, why not pay for it and the president two weeks ago had a weekly radio internet address on the subject. and robert says because this is an emergency, an emergency spending -- and emergency spending must be dealt with, the white house position is outside of this typical budget constraints and outside of pay as you go and robert gibbs said hundreds of thousands of people need their unemployment benefits extended because it's an manners and must be financed through deficit spending, and as far as dealing with the senator, robert gibbs tart, quote today, was, how do you negotiate with the irrational? that is the white house portrayal of senator bunning. bill: it will be another big day tomorrow, theater, regarding health care and major, thanks and what is buried in the bill,
that is talked about, are cuts to medicare to doctors by the tune of 21%. overall the health care reform bill has cut $500 billion. who believes congress is going to go forward with those cuts on the -- and the same people today are arguing to make the cuts back in, repair them and fix the payments now being cut, to doctors and we'll talk to two doctors in a moment about how their practice would change and how you as a patient will be affected, if these changes go forward. manny alvarez, dr. london on deck. i have astigmatism.
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bill: meanwhile one thing no one is talking about is the 21% cut in medicare fees to doctors nexted yesterday and congressional democrats in the house -- and the white house are urging congress to pass that, pronto and at the same time the big health care bill, calls for $500 billion in cuts to medicare. so, is this the first example
for how congress has a chance to cut medicare and yet they are already balking? dr. manny alvarez, a member of our medical a-team and dr. kathleen london is a family practice physician and thanks for coming in today. there is a political component to this, but, also a practical component, and that deals with you, and what you do for a living and how it affects your patients, if i were your patient, doctors, and how would your practice change if these cuts come your way and seem permanent or go deeper. >> what would happen, probably is a reduction of new medicare patients, because, look, in order to kind of break even nowadays, you have to see an average of 40 patients, many practices in primary care, gynecology, cardiology, you are seeing 40, 30 patients daily, just to break even, and the operational costs of a practice has gone up dramatically and medicare payments have not gone up, to compensate for that and if you cut it down to 21%, more,
basically, in some cases you will get reimbursement which is less than medicaid and many doctors will say, we will not -- >> you are working for less money, dr. london, if i am your patient how does it change our relationship? >> you have to remember that most physicians are small business owners and who out there can afford a 21% pay cut and the problem is it doesn't get extended to medicare, private insurers follow what medicare does and it means we stop taking medicare and medicaid and we either close doors altogether or stop taking insurance and that is what it means and we have a shortage in primary care and it will extend it further. all of us with employees will lose employees. bill: i have to find another doctor and wait in a longer line? and -- or -- >> exactly. bill: or i pay you cash, is that what i'm hearing from you. >> look, it will never get to the point where you pay cash, because, many people don't have the cash and, look, the ethics of medicine will never allow
americans not to have access to health care, the doctors, by the way, the doctors will carry the torch, and it is unfair, that, you know, everything, for instance, the bill put together unemployment with medical payments. you know, why do you need to put them together? they sort of are mixing things in an effort to scare the public, and i'm very much in favor of not having more deficits, for sure, because i'm interested in the future of my children. but, on the other hand, i have to pay for their livelihood, now, so, it is, you know, they are always using doctors as pawns and, basically, they are holding a gun to my head, and just, you know, taking me along for a ride, for a very long time. >> you are referencing the objections jim bunning has to the bill we have been talking about. >> absolutely. bill: and it is con understanding fusi fusing at home, but they are -- >> do you think congress will ever make $500 billion worth in cuts to medicare?
>> okay. separate it out. these cuts, to physicians, go back to the 1990s when they were trying to connect a budget deficit. and where did they go? let's cut payments to doctors and it is held off and each time it comes back it is a higher percentage and this is a sign that we cannot afford to do nothing, about health insurance reform and notice i said health insurance reform, not health care reform, and we are already paying, already cover everybody, we do it in an expensive way, through the emergency room and through other -- >> many would argue congress would -- is not going to go forward with the cuts because they never have in the past and it's an excellent debate and will be continued and we'll continue it tomorrow when we get more details from the president, doctors, thanks to both of you, kathleen london and manny alvarez in new york and boston, respectively. martha, what is coming up. martha: navy the secretary of defense robert gates calls authentic and recommends that his staff watch it. but now the question is raised about how realistic the portrayal of our military in
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>> oh, god... >> what is he doing. >> i don't know. >> what are you doing? there is enough in there to send us all to jesus. i'm going to die, i'm going die comfortable. >> that is the signature line, from that clip from the blockbuster movie, the hurt locker, a contender for best picture, and that scene shows
what a bomb squad does in iraq. in part, and, the critics though are saying that it's not that accurate a portrayal of what is happening, with the great folks, who dismantle these bombs, every day. in iraq, james o'neill, used to disarm arms and is the director of the eod memorial which every year in may remembers the fine men and women who are out there, fighting for us and many of whom have lost their lives in the great effort, jim, good to have you here today, welcome. >> thank you, martha, glad to be here. martha: i watched the movie last night and it is a very stunning movie, it is hard to watch, at times, but it is, to me, is very powerful. what was your reaction, having been there? >> very similar to yours. i thoroughly enjoyed the movie and i think it does a good job portraying the intensity of the job and i think it brings to the front a profession many people were not aware even existed. a lot of people in the military are still finding out about eod
and the capabilities and the kind of work they do, i enjoyed the movie and the message. martha: you said when you first started doing this work, it was done in training and farm houses, with dynamite and all of a sudden in the middle of the iraq war, the skills of the eod became so significant in this fight as we see in the film. >> butcher shop, 2:00... >> ied is the weapon of choice and it can be hidden anywhere and can be built by anybody from the materials that are readily available and it is a very dangerous weapon, that is being used, quite well, by the enemy. martha: the controversy is about the man we see in these clips, sergeant first class william james, the name of the character played by jeremy renter, and he goes off the wire, sometimes and steps outside the wire, and is going into areas looking for trouble and is accused of doing by a guy in a scene, who he ends
up shooting, in one of these baghdad scenes in a place where they say he shouldn't have been and what do you think about that controversy. >> i think he should have been there. i probably would have punched -- he shouldn't have been there and i would have punched james out myself, if he were doing that kind of stuff and what i kept reminding myself during the movie was, that it was a movie. it is not a documentary nor a training film. and, just to sit back, and enjoy the story, and, don't read too much into it, anybody who thinks that that is the way the modern soldier is fighting the war over there is really misled. or misinformed. our soldiers, and sailors and airmen and marines are extremely professional. and attack their business with the utmost discipline and responsibility. martha: indeed they do and we're proud of them and the work you have done, too and i want you to mention, bass yecause you point
it is a movie, and is a story, and parts of it are done for the dramatic story line and you make it a huge part of your life to remember those who are duke it every day. talk about -- doing it every day and talk about the memorial, you will be doing in may so we know of the fine, heroic efforts of these people. >> thank you very much. every may, the first saturday in every may, the eod communities gathers, to honor those who we have lost, the previous year. the eod memorial foundation, provides scholarships for the children and family members of eod, both those that have fallen and those that are still serving, and retired. >> all right. >> and we pay for the travel and accommodations and all of expenses for the family members to attend the memorial and provide outreach services for family members who have lost... martha: thank you very much, it is great work that you do, and we're glad to have you weigh in on the movie, and we thank you, very much, for being with us today and for your service to the country, sir, thank you.